#62 Unmasking Hope
With Eric Christiansen
Trauma enters our lives and affects us in many ways.
But there is hope to be found from the courageous stories of others.
Emmy-award winning filmmaker Eric Christiansen joins me on the show to tell us about the work he's done to document people's stories; stories that will give us hope despite difficult experiences we've faced. He's intentionally created these clinically-sound works that are sensitive to those healing from trauma.
Watch the video of this interview on our YouTube channel.
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Faces in the Fire (1991)
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Searching for Home: Coming Back from War - YouTube (Free):
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Transcript
Eric Christiansen 0:00
Hi, I'm Eric Christiansen filmmaker, messenger and ambassador of hope. I'm here on the Life Changes Channel to talk about my new film "Unmasking Hope".
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Now, today's guest is Eric Christiansen, a filmmaker who has done some incredible work with documentaries that he's produced. We're going to hear more about why he's done it, how it affected his life and what he was hoping to accomplish with this. Let's meet him now.
Welcome Eric to the channel and to the show. As everybody can hear, I'm struggling with a little bit of a throat thing. I've got some kind of a gold bug, but we're going to just plow forward. And I'm gonna let Eric do most of the talking for obvious reasons. Eric, I'm really thrilled to have you on the show. I have seen your documentary, we watched it, I watched it with my husband. And we were just just really blown away, not only by the videography was just just top notch, but the content was so compelling. So yes, we're I'm just excited that you're here and we get to meet you and talk about, you know, what brought you to be like make a film like this. And more about the background of it. I'm really impressed with the clinical component.
Eric Christiansen 3:53
Well, thank you, Deena. And you know, it's definitely so nice to hear people experiencing the crossover that's in the film. And what I say the crossover is at the end of the artful storytelling, the lyrical storytelling, you know, going back to my kind of more artists kind of background, combined with the clinical and these powerful stories of these people that have survived horrific things. And, and then also the patchwork of the fact that these are very, very different traumas. But eventually when you want us the whole story, it's one story. And because we have my 11 survivors, we have mass shooting survivors, you know, in sexual abuse survivors and the veteran. So how did all those fit together? So I guess you have to watch the film to find out right.
Deena Kordt 4:51
It is fascinating. Yes. And so what led you to document something like this? You know,
Eric Christiansen 4:58
yeah, sorry. to take up the rest of our time here, and I'll try to truncate that is, you know, I've been doing these types of films now for over 30 years. And that kind of dates me a little bit. But and this is my fourth feature film, kind of, I would say in this niche basically about Grief Recovery and trauma recovery. And that's, you know, the soul of the movie. And I add grief in there, because it's a big component. I mean, the trauma is the incident, the grief, kind of the aftermath. And so how did I get let led into this is over 30 years ago, I lost my home in the pancake fire disaster in Santa Barbara. And I was I've been working in the industry basically, I've been making films since I was eight years of working in the industry since I was looked old enough to work on the set. And but I was working in the industry over 30 years ago, lost my home in the panic, a fire and, and that was kind of was devastating, obviously, and it took me about seven months to kind of have my epiphany, I would say, and part of my epiphany was that I kind of got was given me a clean slate. And I was able to start over. And part of that was I naively said, you know, this is really fascinating about our survivors circle, you know, because I was part of the survivors and, and we could talk to each other really well, and communicate, but to the outside world, it is very difficult to communicate what we're going through. And I had the skills and so that was my really first documentary, I'd cut some other and work on other documentaries. But that was my first personal documentary. And I had it, it was the quickest film I've ever done, believe it or not, I hadn't done a year after the fire.
And at the same time I was I got into recovery from drugs and alcohol and got clean and sober, which I still am 32 years later, For the grace of God, and then a fellowship that I belong to. But that was yeah, that was my first film faces in fire, and it won my first Emmy Award and premiered on the anniversary, the first anniversary of the fire. I'll never made a film that only took a year again, which was really nice. I don't see how I did it. You were very driven. Yeah. But then I went on to 10 years, I worked in the industry a lot after that film, and in the documentary space, and then 10 years later as praying for a similar project and it landed on my lap. When my friend Bob Trimble was telling me about a motorcycle ride. He goes on, that he was going on. He's a Vietnam veteran. And his mom had just passed and a lot of stuff was coming up again. And he was going on this motorcycle ride and was actually pilgrimage from California, the wall in Washington DC, with a bunch of other Vietnam vets, and I'm like, wow, that would make a good movie. And the next thing I noticed, two weeks later as hitting the road, and my, my wife was at home with our tubes. With her latest, my middle son was just born and my older son and I hit the road and and made a film called homecoming of Vietnam vets journey. And that was my first PBS film. And it was released on PBS and garnered a great review in the New York Times. And then again, for some reason, 10 years later came searching for home coming back from war, which is my latest film before unmasking hope. And if you Google searching for home coming back for more, it's on Vudu, it's on Apple TV. It's also it's also my distributor has it for free now on YouTube for veterans search firm coming back for more and then last word and another I don't know how many, eight years was eight years, November 11. I released that film. So this November 11, will be the eighth year anniversary and now I have unmasking hope and unmasking hope itself. It's it's a combination of all three of those films. And as you say, if you want me to keep going, I'll just keep going on this, you know,
Deena Kordt 9:16
please do this. The
Eric Christiansen 9:18
fact is, I'm asking hope is a combination of all three of those films. You know, I had a film about fire recovery and the grief you know and trauma recovery from the fire that I did, you know two films about veterans the second film about veterans searching for home I really mixed up the veterans veterans of all different words in generations. And that was kind of an experiment that I call it my thesis. You know, because all people basically believe he'll the same. It's like being on a cruise ship. You know, you can go through a lot of different things on the cruise ship. And this is analogy for healing. You can do a lot there's a lot of different when I would say modalities you can go the bar you can go the waterslide you can do this Gershon, but the cruise ship was going to end up Usually it goes the same route, it was going to the same place. And that's basically I believe how God has set up the healing process that we you end up hopefully at the same place, and everything happens, but the particulars are different.
And so with having those vets of different wars basically tell the story. That's what inspired me for unmasking hope. And with unmasking hope I have completely different traumas, from 911, to mass shootings, to sexual abuse, to the course I have my veteran again. And because I know that space actually started with my veteran Sandra Lee, she was unlike Okay, I'll build kind of the story around her because she was in my other film search for home, I knew that story, then I built the rest, and got the rest around her and but my again, my thesis was, even though those are completely diverse traumas, that the recovery was similar, and I could tell one singular story, and I do believe is quite successful in doing that, because we all kind of feel the same way, even though it was very, very different from from going to a country music festival, and then being open fired upon. Its, that's a whole nother discussion. And having 58 people not make it out of that festival, you weren't planning on that. Very different than the veterans? Yes. It's not like the veterans asked for it. But the veterans kind of expected that something will happen. So but it was very different for me as a filmmaker to actually have that moment when I realized, oh, my gosh, I mean, what a shattering event but but so diverse is and then versus 911.
You know, you're but then again, it came out of the blue. You know, Becky was just going he she was the woman and the film, Becky, on. Let's see if I'm correct. 2001, September 11 2001, if I'm correct, she was going into tower two, on her second her first anniversary of her job at Morgan Stanley. And, and then look what happened, you know, and, and then we have our veteran, but very, very different stories, but they still wove wove together. And then, you know, with unmasking hope, I used a lot of different storytelling elements in conveying the experience of the survivors. And if you want me to mean, I keep going here, oh,
Deena Kordt 12:47
this, this is amazing, because having watched the film, it was very moving it, you know, you depicted them in such a way that we could empathize with the experience they had had and the trauma that it had caused in their lives and in how they needed to face that and heal it. And then the hope, I think it's very aptly named, you know, you you're unmasking from that trauma, but there's hope there is hope to heal. And it's a very encouraging film.
Eric Christiansen 13:23
And that's a, that's a really interesting part to draw out is the hope aspect in all my films have hope. All my films are about the healing. It's not about the incident. I don't want the just the the drama. The grandstanding of the actual incident. I want to talk about what happens afterwards. It's not like the news is not exploitative of the event. It's actually about what the soul goes through afterwards. And I liked that I use that word on purpose, especially with unmasking hope I tried to drill down into, you know, the surface but behind. And it's interesting because when I'm cutting the film, I always end up with a lot of stuff about the incident, with searching for home a lot of stuff about how the attack occurred, how the IED occurred, what happened, all this stuff. And then and then with unmasking hope I had this whole thing on 911. And what happened to Jack Delaney who was a first responder that's in the film, you know, and how he rushed into the the first tower that collapsed and I have no idea the percussion of the terrorism and they came down it was so the force was so great coming out of the bottom and he flew back, and like Superman, literally hundreds of feet. If I had all this stuff and all this detail about what happened, but going back to what I was saying is I have to cut that stuff out and make it just okay, this is what happened. And it's a tiny part, it's a quarter of the story, then that 75% is, you know, I would say about about another 20 to 30% of that is finding they were finding their way being confused afterwards, that confusion after the disaster, you know, after the
Deena Kordt 15:34
trauma, and that's five or guilt to
Eric Christiansen 15:38
the survivor guilt.
Deena Kordt 15:41
It was very well balanced that way. And I'm happy that you mentioned that because that was it was obvious that it was a focus on not those incidents, there was enough there to help you feel some of their their fear and their terror in those moments. But, but it didn't just focus on that. And I really liked that, because I think we're so inundated with with those details from the news, like you say, let's talk about the people and how it affected them. And in the future, what happened with them?
Eric Christiansen 16:16
No, and I was just having a discussion with actually one of the one of the survivors, Molly, who actually was in two mass shootings. Unbelievable. And we were talking about how, how, particularly in the mass shooting incident, I used animation, and you're like, use the animation. That's really it, but I didn't want to use, I used a tiny bit of stock footage, and you can barely see it, because I'm trying to ask them. Because I don't want to have a piece that is what I would call activating. Yes, survivors. But also I want to like go into a place in people's mind, we see enough of the raw Reality of Things, I wanted to go to a place in people's mind by using the automation by just having a more lyrical approach to it, where it's left here, imagination, and you hear their words, but then your imagination, you're connecting with their words, and not the visceral, oh my gosh, look at Ray's running from the bullets footage. It's more of a reaction of the individual. It's their words, and connecting with this lyrical, kind of broader aspect to let you interpret that, and not activate and visible. So that was a very intentional piece. But
Deena Kordt 17:43
you're sorry, Eric, I saw appreciate hearing some of the intention, and the direction that you were intending to do with this and how you, it was just beautifully done. But now to hear that these pieces, you know, you took into consideration your audience, obviously, as a filmmaker, you're going to do that. But considering how it would affect them, you wanted to get across the message to the people who haven't experienced it, but also with some compassion around those who are there who did experience it. And I just think it was beautifully done. And it's very interesting to hear what your intention was, and how you put a lot of thought and consideration into this. I can see why it took you four years.
Speaker 1 18:33
Well, the editing itself was a year. And now it's been I can't really say fully it was a year because there was a lot of like prep that went into that. But that's a whole nother conversation. But going along the stream where we're at is the with putting together the incident and then as I say, then the confusion in that loss space. And I'm hoping and particularly with unmasking hope, I kind of use the structure of x more than I ever have. But the first act kind of setting it up, which is the incident and the aftermath of the incident. Then the second act is like that period where they're starting to figure out something's wrong with them, but they're not sure. With the end of the second act hopefully being they find actually probably either somebody else or some other activation to their healing, that there is a way out and is usually through what I call the miracle identification. And for me, it's a miracle of identification when I was when I was I am a recovering alcoholic and drug addict. Mainly good old fashioned alcoholic, but I still go to my meetings and the miracle of identification when I say hi America I'm an alcoholic and obey says hi heard. Wow, that's still 32 years later, that's still chills me.
Eric Christiansen 20:02
So going back, that's my entree kind of my whole personal recovery into their world. And so when I hear like, particularly Molly talking about when she finally went to a group, and there's other peoples that were went through mass shooting, she heard their story. She's like, Oh my God, there's other people, I'm not crazy. I'm not alone. And it looks like some of these people are kind of dealing with it, and wonder how they're dealing with it. And that's American identification. And that kind of has cut out the end of the second act. And the third act is all about, you know, how they heal. And that's, you know, basically, in a nutshell, my whole stretch of road masking help. But going back to being gentle with audience, you know, I pride myself on this, I made these kinds of films for 30 years, I love, I literally love the people in the film. You know, and I love sitting in the audience with the people. And I've saddened enough audiences, for my phones and stuff, to really feel the energy feel the journey they go on. And I try to give them what I feel is appropriate to honor the people in the film and their, their overall Sacred Journeys. Because, you know, I'm kind of a fortunate guy to be able to sit there and, and hear the stories that are life changing it is their sacred journey. So
Deena Kordt 21:39
and we're fortunate that you have given them a voice to share it a platform to share it. Now, at this point, I want to help people understand that we're not just going to keep talking about this film, and not give you a way to watch it. So Eric will be sharing the links with me, which I will put in the show notes for where you can find this film, as well as his other films to be able to see them and see his work because I highly recommend that you check this out. Now I've only seen one. I can't wait to watch the others. It's just fascinating to to see here. How these came about. How has How has your work? And, you know, specifically say unmasking hope, which is the film that I've seen, is that affected your life. What has that done in your life for you?
Eric Christiansen 22:30
Well, that's where you get all emotional.
Deena Kordt 22:33
That's okay. That's okay. We don't we don't
Speaker 1 22:36
this, this is just an analogy. Okay, so I have my silly peloton, and I never thought I'd love a peloton but I do. I'm like how am I ever going to like connect with a video instructor? I don't want to make this a show about peloton but I tell you, I'm connecting with my instructors. I'm finally working out. Get off my peloton. Okay, that's about that. I get off my phone this morning. And I have a text. And it's not a text I want those will reminders. or years ago today, the Sandra Lee and her wonderful husband Mac are at a at a Harvard football game with me. My son played football at Harvard. And they come out to meet us and severally I'd met through searching for a home coming back from war. She's PTSD and military sexual trauma survivor that I met through searching for home coming back from war, she was also in unmasking hope.
Eric Christiansen 22:36
And in that masking hope I'm not gonna give a I'll give it a little bit away. It does start with Mac and Sandra's wedding, which to me, they're they're, they're amazing. It's just going from where she was at with her military sexual trauma yesterday and finding that and that that's a that's a soul of unmasking go. But that picture came up of us at the football game altogether, because they came out to meet us there. And so I just said to him, I said miss you guys, and I just get a little miss you in the heart from Sandra. So like connections like that. And knowing that God put me in a place where I could play a small part in all these people's feeling literally, this isn't even counting the audiences and the reviews and things like this. This is just like behind the scenes, you know, and I still have you know, I have friends still from, you know, homecoming of Vietnam vets journey Jr. Franklin, a Vietnam vet, and I call him up every well actually. It's coming up pretty soon. Every Veterans Day I call him up. And every Veterans Day, there's less and less than other veterans that we know. But Jared keeps going and you know, and it's just being able to be part of that. I'm doing such meaningful to work and being able to use my talents, because God, God kind of produces my films and puts everything together. But I'm the talent that like just doing it and doing the message. That's why I say I'm a messenger. And so it just everything that you know. And we can talk about this later. It's interesting, because I'm not too sure at my age right now or anything. And the economics part of this of this whole puzzle, I don't know if I'm gonna make any more films right now for a while right now. And I think I'd massingham could be it for a while, or I don't know. But anyways, I made for that. I
Deena Kordt 25:45
have to express sincere, deep gratitude to not only you for putting this out into the world, or for the people who participated for sharing their stories for that vulnerability and letting us see into the trauma and some of the darkest moments of their lives and how they healed from that, which gives all of us hope. And my whole tagline for all the work I do is that people know they aren't alone, that there are people out there who care and want to help. And they understand because they've been there.
Eric Christiansen 26:18
It's, you know, it's enormous. This sounds like really gnarly. I, I'm a California dude. Okay. You know, I live I surf I was at the beach the other day, okay, sizing, gnarly and stuff, I think it was. It's a gnarly responsibility to carry the stories. But also, the other thing is, when I talk to people, and I get really real about my process, my process is a very spiritual process of how I put these films together, and I rely their light on a power greater than me to help, really in the long run, guide my talents. And so being able to reflect their stories is a big responsibility, because they're sacred stories. And but I've never had one person come back to me after this is for films and 30 years ago, being upset with how they were portrayed. You know, because I tried to connect to the soul at the core of who they are. And I tried to tell their story and not the story. I learned this early on, I tried to tell Eric story to other people, I'd come into an interview with an idea about what I wanted to do, because it would make a good story. And I'd have to fight for that. I mean, you have to fight for something in art. Sometimes it's not the right way to go. Sometimes you have to let the art control you. And that's the art I say it's a big umbrella. Art is a metaphysical and a love thing. Yeah, well connecting and being a vessel for somebody to be able to unload and connect to you. And so I no longer go into these interviews with any expectations. I know what I want to ask. And then I let them talk and then we're led through the rest of it. So that's how I think the purity comes out. In their stories, hopefully, only lightly encumbered by any of my personal The funny thing is, you know, the way I put together my folks, unmasking hope, you know, when people say you know, who are you Eric? Well, what's, what's my movie, you know, lyrical I'm, I'm, you know, I'm trying to wet the movie heads. So,
Deena Kordt 28:51
now you have some organizations that you have worked with that you feel are very supportive, to help people in these situations. Your film is one of these pieces that is out there in the world to help encourage people to that they aren't alone that you know, seek help. Here are some things that have worked for others. Can you share with us some of these?
Speaker 1 29:19
The top two things I'm very proud of is number one, our clinical consultants who are also interviewed in the film, but they are a clinical consultants, I like to have a clinical gram in my films. And also in the way that I work with the survivors to then also the outreach, which I'll get to that which is kind of taking the message into community and having a place for people to go after viewing the film. The number one with the clinical consultants, particularly Dr. Etkin. And, and you can google him and out of Stanford University. He had Etkin labs. He's a tenured, he was a tenured professor at Stanford, went to Columbia. My son went to Harvard. And so anytime I worked in Columbia without football game, I get on the phone and Rasm. Brilliant, brilliant man. And his work has been around finding markers that are something that you can put your literally put your finger on your mark, when I say markers, some some sort of identifying behavior or marker in individuals, before they get into treatment, that somehow will predict what treatment will work most efficiently for them. And I'm talking in the mental health space, for depression, for anxiety, and for PTSD or trauma related mental health issues. And so that's been his life's work.
Eric Christiansen 30:58
Because at best, most treatments, you know, I have not, I can't say for sure, but it's about the efficacy rate is kind of a shot in the dark. If you know people that have attempted to get their depression under control and things, there's so many different options. So what he's trying to find that right now is through a simple process, be able to find a marker that would indicate, oh, this kind of medication, this kind of treatment, etc, will be the most effective. And that's his life's work Dr. Meat I can. And he is one of the top researchers in this field. And so he works with us very closely. He's also interviewed in the film kind of holds the film together clinically, with his insights. And then, then the other component that I find so important is the outreach. And when I say about out, you know, what I mean about outreach is taking the message of the film in the community. And so we have a national outreach partner giveanhour.org. And what I like to say is the film itself is a doorway to healing. And the outreach is kind of the safety net. So you walk through that doorway, and then you have outreach. So given our giveanhour.org, you can look them up. They provide basically free clinical time, to people that need mental health assistance. And they have clinic, holistic clinicians across the United States, they're also a very powerful resource for anybody that's looking to begin their mental health recovery journey, or also just to help a friend or a loved one.
Unknown Speaker 32:38
So giveanhour.org Not only do they offer free clinical, when you qualify and clinical help, but they offer all sorts of amazing resources, where people that went through trauma, people have veterans, all sorts of different things. And so they're, they're just amazing. And they've been with us through this, this whole process, starting with that, and they, they came on board, and so they've been highly involved. And so they're always available all their materials, we have a study guide, now that's going to be coming out for the film that they put together. And so those aspects to me, help me feel responsible about putting out a film like this, because it's even though I do my best not to have an activating it's an emotional powerful film. And people that see it, I want them to feel that they have an opportunity that is clinically sound. And then they also have an opportunity to reach out and find a place that they can start their healing journey or supplement their healing journey through given our data work.
Deena Kordt 33:55
And I think that gives a whole package you know, you didn't you, you aren't dramatizing this, you aren't taking, you know, taking advantage of their stories to create a film, you are using this and and I love that it's clinically sound, you've offered some resources that they can then seek the help that they need to heal. And you've been sensitive to your audiences. It's It's really impressive work. And I you know, I hope that you do continue to create, but if not, you've you've given the world some beautiful, beautiful work.
Eric Christiansen 34:33
Yeah, it just, it blows my mind when I go into my office and I see those four posters and I like Well, that's a that's a good little legacy there. But, you know, at this point, at this point, you know, it's up to God like what comes down the pike and you know, I have a I have a grandchild now and a lot of family time coming up and let me know and the great wife so
Deena Kordt 35:00
It's amazing. I so appreciate your time. Eric, is there any parting thoughts that you would like to leave with the audience?
Eric Christiansen 35:07
You know, coming into this election year and with all this craziness coming up, and, and all this divisiveness, the only thing I want to leave you with is like one word is empathy. And empathy is a dangerous place, kind of for some people because it makes you vulnerable. Empathy isn't sympathy, it's not feeling sorry for somebody, it's, it's trying to really honestly understand put yourself in their shoes emotionally. And, and once you can really do that. It kind of cuts short the snap judgments of people, like seeing the homeless person if they only got a job or seeing the trans person and saying, Oh, well, they have a mental health disorder in or whenever you want to do, actually, you know, they're all at one time they were all somebody's little baby sons and daughters and, and it just, you know, the empathy of understanding their position. And understanding like lead with love. You lead with love. You know, one of the most highly evolved parts, I think, that I've learned to try to evolve to, is to lead with love and love, no matter love no matter what. But also, no, I don't have to agree, but I do have to love. So there you go. That
Deena Kordt 36:26
is powerful. Empathy to seek to understand before judgment, lead with love. Beautiful. Thank you so much, Eric.
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